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What is "Patriotic Education "? In response to the impending executive order from trump Jeff Sharlet breaks down what people can expect, and highlights why this is something every American needs to be aware of. To say it's a chilling read, in my opinion , is an understatement.
2020.09.18 20:43 Kujo17 What is "Patriotic Education "? In response to the impending executive order from trump Jeff Sharlet breaks down what people can expect, and highlights why this is something every American needs to be aware of. To say it's a chilling read, in my opinion , is an understatement.
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"Patriotic education" is Stephen Miller's fascism + Mike Pence's fundamentalism. Some years ago, I took a course in "patriotic education" for my book THE FAMILY. I spent a season reading its textbooks & talking to its teachers. Here's what to expect... A thread.
It'd be cliché to quote Orwell were it not for the fact that fundamentalist intellectuals do so w/ such frequency. At a rally to expose the “myth” of church/state separation Orwell was quoted at me 4 times: "Those who control the past control the future." 2/
1st time I heard Orwell quoted at a patriotic education rally was from William Federer, author of America's God & Country, which then had sold 1/2 mil copies--cherry picked, distorted, & fabricated quotes for students "proving" U.S. founded as Christian nation... 3/
"Patriotic educators" teach that Jefferson's wall of separation between church & state is misunderstood. It was meant as a "one-way wall," Federer claimed, to protect church from state, not the other way around.4/
The first pillar of American fundamentalism is Jesus; the second is history, and in the fundamentalist mind the two are converging. We heard that at the White House "History" conference, the notion we need more Christ in our schools, that our past is Christian... 5/
"Patriotic education" is a fundamentalist concept. Just as fundamentalist religion supposes that divine truths are literal & determined by (white male) authority, so fundamentalist history discards the ongoing work of knowing the past. 6/
"Patriotic education" proposes, as did the White House conference, that the Constitution is divine, "god-breathed," as some say, & thus impervious to expanding ideas of rights. That's the religion behind Clarence Thomas' constitutional "originalism." It's false.7/
Textbooks already written for "patriotic education"--those used in Christian nationalist schooling--emphasize Northwest Ordinance of 1787, which declared “religion” necessary to “good government” & thus to be encouraged through schools. This is cherry picking. 8/
The Christian nationalists aren't wrong that Protestantism was a central part of education for much of U.S. history. It wasn't until the 1930s that public ed veered away from biblical schooling. Because the 1st amendment. Because liberty of conscience. 9/
When I began reading the Christian nationalist school curriculum over a decade ago, it was already being taught to more than 10% of U.S. kids. That number has grown, a lot. It's big enough now to make a bid for control of least some public schools. 10/
The modern Christian Right--without which there would be no Trumpism--began not in national politics but on school boards. Those elections matters. The Right knows that. Those dismissing "patriotic education" as 2020 tactic are themselves ignoring history... 11/
A popular jr. high "patriotic education" textbook begins: "“Who, knowing the facts of our history, can doubt that the U.S has been a thought in the mind of God from all eternity?” Trump, ystrdy: "the fulfillment of a thousand years of Western civilization." 12/
That's from a textbook called "The American Republic for Christian Schools," published by Bob Jones University Press, a major Christian nationalist education publisher. You may remember Bob Jones as the fundamentalist school that banned interracial dating until 2000. 13/
Emphasis at White House history confab on private property. Here's a Christian nationalist high school econ textbook: “One must never come to see... free market as an end in itself. [It] merely sets the stage for an unhindered propagation of the gospel of Jesus Christ.” 14/
"Patriotic education" likely wldn't exist w/out a man named Rousas John Rushdoony--the most radical Christian nationalist & "biblical capitalist" you never heard of. He thought of himself first & foremost as a historian, "correcting" secular, socialist education. 15/
Rushdoony taught the modern pioneers of Christian nationalist ed to teach "providential history," such as the “Protestant Wind” with which it says God helped British defeat Spanish Armada so that the New World would not be overly settled by agents of the Vatican. 16/
Rushdoony also established as bedrock Christian nationalist history idea that secular democracy is defiance of God--that real democracy means submitting to God's will as expressed by his "chosen one," the strongmen He puts in power. Sound familiar? 17/
"History is God's working in man," the director of a popular Christian nationalist education publisher told me. In fact, he preferred to call U.S. history "heritage studies." Trump loves that word, "heritage," too. (Maybe it has something to do w/ the $413 mil he inherited?) 18/
"Heritage studies," or "patriotic education," is a cult of personality. History matters not for its progression of “fact, fact, fact,” Michael McHugh, a pioneer of modern Christian nationalist ed, told me, but for “key personalities.” It's the strongman view of the past. 19/
Trump ystrdy spoke of history as an "unstoppable chain of events"--culminating in him. This isn't a '20 campaign tactic. He's been talking "history" more & more for over a year, chipping away at Rushmore's remaining raw granite to add his name, his "key personality." 20/
Trump doesn't need to know the particulars of Christian nationalist "history" to make it point to him. He surely doesn't know John Witherspoon, the only pastor to sign the declaration, from whom Christian nationalists derive a kind of "democratic" divine right to rule. 21/
Another "key man" already established in the Christian nationalist schooling that's the basis for "patriotic education" is Trump's fave general, MacArthur--fired by Truman for almost sparking WW III. That's who "patriotic ed" wants our boys to be. 22/
If "patriotic education" wants our boys to be "violent men [who] take it by force," as a popular Christian nationalist Bible verse puts it (Matthew 11:12), what does it dream for girls? That they be subject
to what Christian nationalists--& Stephen Miller--dub "chivalry." 23/
Another "key man" in "patriotic education" is Sgt. Alvin York, a WW I hero repurposed by Christian nationalism as the greatest Christian sniper in U.S. history. "God uses ordinary people," teaches the lesson. Reminds me of a popular Trump t-shirt I saw reporting ralies... 24/
"Patriotic education" proposes he greatest "key men"--Washington, Lincoln, &, now, Trump--as divine. Popular Christian nationalist art often depicts them attended by a ghostly Christ or angels; & texts offer "proofs" of their chosen-ness. This is also known as "fascism." 25/
During Iraq War, Christian nationalists erected 100s of billboards depicting a U.S. soldier backed by a ghostly Washington. Now it's cops, heroes in nationalist imagination of a new war, backed by angels & patriotic ghosts. 26/
As w/ Texas state legislator other day, "patriotic education" repackages defeats--the Alamo--as victories & men who renounced U.S.--Confed. generals--as American heroes. "America" in nationalist imagination isn't
united; it's "red states," it's whatever strongmen say it is. 26/
"Patriotic education" has always meant preparing for war as a lens through which to view world, whether the Civil War then or a prospective one now. "Boys, are you ready for warfare?" asks one homeschooling video, "Putting on the Whole Armor of God." 27/
Such terms come straight outta R.J. Rushdoony. Christian nationalist apologists, "responsible" conservatives, insist Rushdoony was fringe. & yet he was in many ways father of 2 major ideas: Christian homeschooling, & "providential history"--aka modern "patriotic education." 28/
This gets wonky: Rushdoony in turn studied a turn-of-the-century Dutch theologian Abraham Kuyper. Kuyper was complex--but 1st Rushdoony, then Watergate felon Chuck Colson, & now today's Christian nationalists--twist his thought into a proof for nationalist education. 29/
They take Kuyper's idea of "presuppositionalism"--in essence, subjectivity--as proof that neutral governance is impossible. Then they declare that subjectivity an objective "fact" to conclude that govt can only be for God or against him. Trump on Biden: "against God!" 30/
Even tho he was an anti-Catholic Christian nationalist, modern "patriotic ed" pioneer Rushdoony loved JFK's rhetoric for its framing of U.S. as a redeemer nation (JFK: "God's work must be our own.") So, too, QAnon now cherry picks JFK for prophetic proof of Trump's glory. 31/
A big part of my course in "patriotic education," like Christian nationalist education in general, was consumed by Stonewall Jackson--who got more ink in U.S. History For Christian Schools textbook than even Lee, much less Grant (forget all about Douglass).32/
A nationalist magazine called Practical Homeschooling used to (& may still) offer instructions for Stonewall Jackson costumes in honor of his birthday. A text called Stonewall Jackson: The Black Man's Friend is--well, hell, do I need to explain how f'd up that is? 33/
What's up w/ Stonewall Jackson & Christian nationalist education? The modern version partly began w/ him, when Rushdoony discovered a forgotten bio that framed him as fighting NOT for slavery, or the South, but the supposedly Christian ideals of the founders. 34/
Within "patriotic education," Confederate generals like Stonewall Jackson aren't the traitors they objectively were, they're men who transcended partisanship in the service of Christian ideals. Christian nationalists do denounce slavery, too. Lotta cognitive dissonance. 35/
"Cognitive dissonance" is maybe a good place to pause this thread on Christian nationalist roots of Trump's "patriotic education" initiative. My 6th grader's remote classes are over; time for homeschooling. We won't
be studying Stonewall Jackson. 37/
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2020.03.03 07:56 MonsieurA Bob Jones University ends ban on interracial dating [20YA - Mar 3]
2019.12.02 17:59 shutupcyclops [Homeschool Christian Debate] In which a homeschool debate league tries to ban highschool anti-racist protestors from the national championship, leading to California's secession
In 2009, the National Christian Forensics and Communications Association (NCFCA), announced that their National Championship would be held at Bob Jones University.
All hell broke loose. But passive-aggressively, and with lots of praying.
Here's what you need to know: the NCFCA may sound like a niche organization, and in some ways they are. But when I was competing (2009-2013), it was the third biggest high school debate in the nation, behind what was then the NFL (National Forensics League, yes this was confusing, yes they changed the name) and the league for Catholic schools. They describe themselves as "an organization committed to training Christian high school students to address life issues in a manner that glorifies God and ultimately preparing our students to shape our culture and impact people for Christ."
For many competitors, myself included, competition was all-consuming. Most of my high school education was research, performance, intense competitions, teaching classes, private coaching, leading workshops. For all its flaws (which we'll get to here shortly), it was a great education. Lots of alumni were intensely invested in and connected to the community. It was a lot of peoples' entire life and social structure.
Now, the NCFCA is, as you might have guessed, conservative. CATO Institute and Heritage Foundation were considered good sources in debate. I spent a year as the darling of the competitive apologetics category. When my mother prayed at opening meetings of tournaments she ran, it was an unusual statement -- usually, the women running the tournaments (and it was mostly women) would ask a man to pray. Someone gave a speech about how maybe we should treat LGBTQ+ people like people and that made waves. Someone called my mother's morality into question for marrying a non-Christian. It could be a lot.
Generally, though, it was a lot of nerdy, talkative theater kids yelling a lot and staying up late, the same as any close-knit gaggle of high schoolers in an academic competition. And, as happens sometimes when you teach kids how to think, some of them think themselves right outside your box. (Sean McElwee
who I competed with/against and who popularized the phrase "Abolish ICE", is the biggest name I can think of here.) A lot of alumni and coaches (and, though more quietly, parents and competitors), didn't buy the ultra-authoritarian, conservative leadership's choices without a lot of critical thought. Still, things tended to be quiet, and disagreements tended to be small, regional and kept quiet.
Given all that, it was probably a surprise that when the national governing organization announced that the 2009 National Championship was going to be held at Bob Jones University, they were met with pretty strong pushback from a group that tended towards passive aggression or soft ostracization as ways of handling "problems".
Here are some things to know about Bob Jones University: BJU wouldn't admit black students until 1971. They lifted their ban on interracial dating in the year 2000. It refused to get accredited until 2005 on "Biblical" grounds, and didn't achieve accreditation until 2017. They teach Young Earth Creationism. People with the school have expressed approval for violent behavior towards LGBTQ+ people and Catholics. They have incredibly authoritarian rules governing students and a terrible track record towards victims of sexual abuse. (Links at the bottom of the post for the masochistic/morbidly curious.)
A sizable number of alumni, parents, students, and coaches publicly expressed their displeasure, focusing on racism (while the league is very conservative, our region at least was pretty racially diverse), violent language in disagreement, and anti-Catholicism.
People registered formal complaints. (The term was "protest", and a "boycott nationals" idea was also tossed around.) According to Homeschoolers Anonymous
, "As early as March of 2009, months before the tournament happened, members of HSD were considering how best to address this — some suggesting a boycott of the tournament, others suggesting petitioning the board to change the location, and others suggesting wearing stickers or walking silently out of the opening ceremony when BJU would give their “come to BJU!” talk."
Many coaches, students, and teachers slammed back against the dissenters. "You try making decisions! You try finding somewhere for nationals! Why didn't you protest the liberal universities we've had tournaments at before, huh? Get over yourselves!"
The region including California had butted heads with the national leadership before over speaking style and the way they wanted to run their tournaments. Pro-protest people began to say (plausibly, but as far as I can tell/remember without evidence) that the board *did* have other options for other locations for nationals, but that would require California hosting and they just Didn't Want That.
Turns out, one of the judges at the very first national championship was BJU's debate coach. Huh. Interesting. Well, I'm sure that has nothing to do with anything! (Again, a theory that's plausible-but-evidenceless.)
The director (who many people had other issues with) issued a non-response. The leadership in one region, alarmingly, took a hard line. From an email to affiliates (members) in Region 8, from their leadership: "I am not aware of anyone in our region that has participated in any protest, but if someone has and chooses not to remove their name, I will recommend to the Board of Directors that your National slot be revoked." They actually asked anyone who had been involved in the protest to remove their names from any affiliated groups (including a facebook group) and then *tell the leadership* because the leadership "needed to be able to say they knew about that". They also warned competitors that *anyone* who was associated with the group and had qualified for nationals would find the head of Region 8 petitioning the national board to rescind their nationals slot. The email ends by claiming "we are always open to input from our affiliates. But we cannot approve public communication that disrespects those who have been gracious enough to host our organization." (You can read the whole letter here
No apology was issued, nationals went on as planned.
But California finally did it. They seceded. They'd been talking about it since 2008, apparently, but snubbing California as a competition location to hold it at a school with a terrible track record and THEN strong-arming anyone who protested was just too much for the good folks out west. They picked up their (metaphorical) bags and left. Stoa expanded their reach, although it's still mostly a presence in the western US. They're now the fourth biggest highschool league, just behind the NCFCA. The NCFCA, meanwhile, technically includes California as a region, but as of this season wasn't holding any tournaments there.
And that's where this tale of bullying, intimidation, protest, and secession ends.
At least, I hope that's where it ends.
For more, here's the first post about 2009 nationals
from a protest organizer, and here's the Rational Wiki
page on BJU. (I known their tone can be grating for some -- just use the footnotes if you're one of them.)
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2017.08.18 17:28 Know_Your_Shit TIL of Bob Jones University - a Protestant college in Greenville, SC that lost its tax-exempt status due to racial discrimination, and chose to pay millions in taxes rather than change its policies regarding interracial dating. - todayilearned
2017.08.18 02:16 unremovable TIL of Bob Jones University - a Protestant college in Greenville, SC that lost its tax-exempt status due to racial discrimination, and chose to pay millions in taxes rather than change its policies regarding interracial dating.
2017.08.17 23:38 autotldr TIL of Bob Jones University - a Protestant college in Greenville, SC that lost its tax-exempt status due to racial discrimination, and chose to pay millions in taxes rather than change its policies regarding interracial dating.
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GREENVILLE, S.C. - Bob Jones University says it will regain its federal tax-exempt status on March 1, more than three decades after the IRS stripped its nonprofit ranking following a landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling. Summary Source FAQ Feedback Top keywords: University#1 IRS#2 Jones#3 tax-exempt#4 Bob#5
The conservative Christian university dropped its interracial dating ban in a nationally televised interview with past president Bob Jones III on CNN in 2000.
In 2008, past president Stephen Jones, great-grandson of evangelist and university founder Bob Jones, apologized for the school's past racial discrimination.
Bob Jones University lost its tax exemption after a 13-year battle with the IRS over whether the university's policies against interracial dating precluded it as a non-taxable religious educational institution.
The change didn't require IRS approval because its elementary school was already a nonprofit, though the university had formal correspondence and conversations with the IRS, said Randy Page, BJU spokesman.
The university is now listed as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit on the IRS website, said Michael Dobzinski, IRS spokesman.
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2017.08.17 21:36 Totally_Not_NSA_Nope TIL of Bob Jones University - a Protestant college in Greenville, SC that lost its tax-exempt status due to racial discrimination, and chose to pay millions in taxes rather than change its policies regarding interracial dating.
2017.06.21 02:20 FowelBallz So, what kind of lawyer would Sessions hire to defend him? He's the kind of lawyer who would defend Bob Jones' University's ban on interracial dating and argued for employers' right to discriminate against people infected with AIDS.
2016.09.29 20:50 brt25 Why isn't interracial dating at Bob Jones University prohibited anymore?
Are they becoming liberals or something? Just because something isn't popular or legal anymore doesn't mean they shouldn't stick to their principles.
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2016.02.27 16:07 Prestige-Worldwide TIL Bob Jones University had a ban on interracial dating until 2000 - todayilearned
2016.02.26 19:28 boxerswag TIL Bob Jones University had a ban on interracial dating until 2000
2016.02.13 18:39 Metabro TIL that Bob Jones University didn't allow interracial dating until 2000. What are some other bigoted policies or laws that didn't get changed (or remain unchanged) until more recently?
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2015.06.30 01:51 Idea_Bliss I'm sure we all agree that today's post-Christian USA is more moral than the USA was during the era in which it was at its most Christian
When Christianity dominated the USA we had:
- unrelenting racism - Including the KKK and Jim Crow laws. Interracial marriage was illegal until 1967. 1n 1950 President Harry S Truman said interracial marriage was prohibited by the Bible. Bob Jones University (a Christian school) prohibited interracial dating until 2000
- decimation of Native Americans and their cultures and imperialistic theft of their lands - Hawaii was conquered by Protestant imperialist ministers
- denying women the right to vote and unrelenting sexism
- wiping out ancient forests, the buffalo and passenger pigeon
- suppression of homosexuals
- suppression of scientific knowledge - In Tennessee it was illegal for teachers to deny the Biblical account of creation until 1967
That's what we got when we had more
How can anyone, at this time, advocate for more
Christianity? Note: I am not arguing that Christianity was the cause of any of the above. I am arguing that Christianity was, obviously, not the solution.
And, please, let's not go, "No True Scotsman", on this.
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2015.06.28 01:26 Idea_Bliss Is this the end for Evangelical Christianity?
70 years ago, all of the following were prohibited in my Tennessean mother's Evangelical household:
- Drinking alcohol
- Going to movies
- Playing cards
- Denying the Biblical account of man's origin
- Interracial dating & marriage
- Uttering words like "fuck", "shit" and "damn"
- Premarital sex
- Gay sex
What has become of these archaic prohibitions?
- Evangelicals outlawed drinking during Prohibition. They lost that war.
- I don't know when they started going to movies, playing cards and dancing but I know that Evangelicals now attend movies, play cards and dance. So they lost the wars on movie theaters, playing cards and dancing.
- Tennessee Evangelicals lost the war on Evolution in 1967 when the Butler Act was repealed.
- Evangelicals lost the war on interracial marriage in 1967. Bob Jones University lost the war on interracial dating in the year 2000.
- Evangelicals (and Catholics) lost the war on abortion back in the 1970's
- Evangelicals (and Catholics) thought they had the war on profanity locked up with their influence of the FCC and the Motion Picture Production Code. They lost that war too.
- Used to be Evangelicals found divorce too shameful to even contemplate. Now they divorce as much as us heathens. They lost the war on divorce.
- And once everyone was getting divorced, well, what the hell, might as well not take sex very seriously at all. And so Evangelicals lost the war on sexual immorality.
- And yesterday the last domino fell.
Evangelicals gave it one last mighty effort but they just could not manage to continue to inflict their hypocritical excuse for morality upon the rest of us. They could not stop all of the aforementioned practices (even amongst themselves) and they could not stop gay marriage.
Having been raised an Evangelical myself, I really feel that Evangelical Christianity is a form of bigotry. But not against a race. Evangelical Christianity is (or was) characterized by "Christians" who derived an almost sexual pleasure from looking down their noses at everyone who was not as holy as they presumed themselves to be. The sin my parents practiced every day was self-righteousness. They were the self-righteous pharisees Jesus warned about. Every day Evangelicals thank God that they are not like other people.
But I digress. Bigotry cannot express itself without the power to inflict one's expectations upon others. And Evangelicals have just run out of people they can push around.
They can't even talk tough anymore. Because now they are the ones in hiding.
Now we will see who really believes the bile they have been spewing all these years. Only the true believers are going to continue to proclaim their gospel out in public. And face the consequences.
I predict it will be revealed that there are, in reality, very few true believers. A bunch of bigots hiding in a closet are not true believers. They are just bigots hiding in a closet.
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2015.06.26 19:29 KumarLittleJeans Will same sex SCOTUS ruling mark the end of tax exemptions for Christian institutions that oppose same sex marriage?
Bob Jones University lost its tax exempt status due to its stance on interracial dating and marriage. If same sex marriage is a civil right, then could the IRS also remove tax exempt status from any church, school or university that opposes same sex marriage? Could students be denied student loans for attending Christian, Muslim or Jewish colleges that oppose same sex marriage?
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2015.05.12 19:04 autotldr Christian schools will have no choice about gay marriage: Column
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Justice Alito posed a predictable, but revealing question to Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, Jr., in the recent Supreme Court same-sex marriage oral argument: "In the Bob Jones case, the court held that a college was not entitled to tax exempt status if it opposed interracial marriage or interracial dating. So would the same apply to a university or a college if it opposed same-sex marriage?". Summary Source FAQ Theory Feedback Top five keywords: college#1 Court#2 marriage#3 question#4 such#5
The follow-up question from Alito's question is obvious: If the court rules in favor of same sex marriage, how can religious colleges that refuse to acknowledge such unions avoid BJU's fate?
No one should think that IRS implications will stop with colleges.
Colleges may not legally operate in several states without it.
Schools like Patrick Henry College, which I started, never run much of a profit.
Michael Farris is chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association and chancellor of Patrick Henry College.
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2015.05.01 17:33 liatris Obama’s Lawyer: Religious Institutions May Lose Tax-Exempt Status If Court Rules for Gay Marriage - Keep in mind this was a suggestion that Media Matter viciously ridiculed last year....
The relevant bit is around page 37, 38
JUSTICE ALITO: Well, in the Bob Jones case, 7 the Court held that a college was not entitled to 8 taxexempt status if it opposed interracial marriage or 9 interracial dating. So would the same apply to a 10 university or a college if it opposed samesex marriage?
11 GENERAL VERRILLI: You know, I I don't 12 think I can answer that question without knowing more 13 specifics, but it's certainly going to be an issue. 14 I I don't deny that. I don't deny that, Justice 15 Alito. It is it is going to be an issue. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417597/obamas-lawyer-religious-institutions-may-lose-tax-exempt-status-if-court-rules-gay
Religious institutions could be at risk of losing their tax-exempt status due to their beliefs about marriage if the Supreme Court holds that gay couples have a constitutional right to wed, President Obama’s attorney acknowledged to the Supreme Court today. “It’s certainly going to be an issue,” Solicitor General Donald Verrilli replied when Justice Samuel Alito asked if schools that support the traditional definition of marriage would have to be treated like schools that once opposed interracial marriage. “I don’t deny that.” Alito was continuing a line of questioning started by Chief Justice John Roberts. “Would a religious school that has married housing be required to afford such housing to same-sex couples?” Roberts had asked. Verrilli tried to defer to the states on that point, but Roberts pressed him about the significance of the court’s ruling as it might pertain to federal law. “There is no federal law now generally banning discrimination based on sexual orientation, and that’s where those issues are going to have to be worked out,” he said. – Joel Gehrke is a political reporter for National Review. Breitbart.com's Shapiro Imagines Churches Will Now Be Forced To Perform Same-Sex Weddings June 27, 2013 2:43 PM EDT ››› CARLOS MAZA
Breitbart.com editor-at-large and all-around homophobe Ben Shapiro is convinced that the Supreme Court's decision to strike down the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) will result in the IRS rescinding non-profit tax exemptions from churches across the country - a delusional horror story that has no basis in reality. Based on Wednesday's Supreme Court ruling, in which the Court majority determined that the Defense of Marriage Act's federal definition of marriage had to incorporate state-based same-sex marriages, Internal Revenue Service regulations could be modified to remove non-profit status for churches across the country.
In a June 26 post for Breitbart.com, Shapiro warned that the end of DOMA will result in the IRS targeting the non-profit tax exemptions of churches that refuse to perform same-sex wedding ceremonies:
The DOMA decision makes clear that marriage is a state-to-state issue, meaning that religious institutions that receive non-profit status on the federal level but do not perform or accept same-sex marriages in states where it is legal could have non-profit status revoked. Furthermore, should the IRS move to revoke federal non-profit status for churches, synagogues and mosques that do not perform same-sex marriage more generally, the Court could easily justify that decision on the basis of "eradicating discrimination" in religious education.
A few things to note here:
Still, to support his claim, Shapiro cites two incidents.
- The DOMA Decision Had Nothing To Do With Tax Exempt Statuses For Churches. The Supreme Court's decision in Windsor v. United States dealt exclusively with whether the federal government should be allowed to deny federal benefits to same-sex couples who are legally married in their state. Allowing married gay couples to file joint tax returns has nothing at all to do with whether churches are required to perform same-sex weddings to maintain their tax exemptions.
- Every State With Marriage Equality Already Has Exemptions For Churches. In every single state that's legalized marriage equality, churches are exempt from having to perform same-sex weddings. No church in America has ever been forced to perform a same-sex wedding. Laws like DOMA only deal with the civil definition of marriage, not the religious celebration of weddings.
The first is the 1983 Supreme Court decision in Bob Jones University v. United States, in which a religious school lost its tax exempt status due to its ban on interracial dating. What Shapiro fails to mention is that the decision explicitly excluded churches from its scope:
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2015.03.29 16:51 Lardbucket69 TIL that Bob Jones University in South Carolina banned interracial dating until the year 2000
2015.03.23 19:57 theybothsink TIL Interracial dating was prohibited at Bob Jones University until the year 2000
2012.11.19 18:25 crono09 As requested, IAMA former member of a hard-line KJV-only fundamentalist church. AMA.
requested an AMA from a former member of a hard-line fundamentalist church, so I thought that I could fulfill that request.
I grew up attending a KJV-only independent fundamental Baptist church. I also attended the Christian school associated with this church from Kindergarten through 12th grade, so my entire life was wrapped up in this church until I went to college. The college I went to was associated with the Church of the Nazarene, and I eventually joined that denomination. (I did an AMA on that
a while back.) Here are some characteristics of the church that might be considered "hard-line":
- The King James Version of the Bible is the only inspired English translation and is completely inerrant. Other translations were not considered acceptable.
- The Catholic and Anglican churches are non-Christians cults. While it did not go so far as to call other denominations non-Christian, almost all other churches were considered corrupt.
- While the church claimed to believe in the equality of races, it taught that interracial marriage was morally wrong and supported some forms of segregation. African-American children had a separate Sunday school class than the white children.
- Young-earth creationism is the only acceptable interpretation of the beginning of the earth.
- It believed in a pre-millennial, pre-Tribulation Rapture. It frequently talked about being in the end times, but the church strongly opposed any kind of date-setting for the Rapture.
- Rules were very strict. Women could not wear pants, and drinking alcohol was considered morally wrong. Going to movies and dancing were completely prohibited. All forms of "rock" music were considered wrong, including contemporary Christian music.
- Many of the leaders of the church and teachers in the school came from Bob Jones University, Pensacola Christian College, and other strict fundamentalist colleges.
- EDIT: While not explicitly Landmarkist, the church did imply that its doctrines are what the Christian church has always believed.
The church still exists, although the school shut down a few years ago. My parents still attend that church, so I still go to it a couple of times a year when I visit them. AMA about my experience in the church and what it believed.
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2012.08.13 19:06 hawk3ye IAmA graduate from Bob Jones University who attended the school when interracial dating was not allowed...I'm Chinese-American.
IAmA graduate from Bob Jones University who attended the school when interracial dating was not allowed...I'm Chinese-American. I'm replying to these two threads from IAmA, one
. My creds, ID
, senior class index
Before I start, let me just say I'm not a big fan of calling myself the politically correct term Chinese-American. I consider myself an American first and foremost and I come as "American" as just about anyone else (Grandfather and his brother were US National Guardsmen in WW2 who saw frontline action in France, my father is a USAF Vietnam Vet, I like apple pie, my Jeep Wrangler has an NRA sticker, etc).
I merely added my "minority" status to add some flavor to a topic that looks like it's been replied to a few times but IMHO it's a topic not written in a view from a person of color during a time in which the school became somewhat of a hot topic in the news (election year)...actually it had a way of always being in some sort of local city drama but rarely on the national news shrug
. The interracial dating rule was abandoned in 2000 and to my best knowledge after speaking with friends who have attended recently, it's merely a footnote amongst students as they're free to date anyone they please nowadays. Am I bitter about it? Yes, to a certain extend but I'm over it. Did the school ever apologize after retracting their rule? They sent a form letter with an apology to former students - I'm not sure how I felt about this. A personal apology hand written by the three sticks (our student slang for BJ the 3rd) would have been much more appropriate, along with a biblical explanation of where they found their rule was wrong...I'll never see either of these I'm sure, so I haven't let it bother me.
I'll be glad to answer questions about how it was being an Asian dude at the school during those years but I'm not really sure where to start so I'll just let you all lead the way. I will however answer the questions from the IAmA request to my best ability below.
- 1 Why did you decide to go there?
It was my parents' wished that I attended the school and it was the only one they'd help pay for. Being the lost teen who wanted to please the folks one last time and with real no direction or grades or the funds to send myself to state college, I decided to go.
I almost stopped going after the first semester...until the dean of men sent me a letter saying I was spiritually unfit to attend. Have you ever become stubborn just to spite someone/something? Yeah, that was me lol! (I still have that letter someplace).
Operations Management with a minor in Art
- 3 After arriving there, did any rules you didn't know about shock you?
Yeah, demerits, curfew, hair check, I had to make my frichen bed EVERY morning, the stupid cafeteria didn't allow us to take food to our rooms, you can't physically touch a member of the opposite sex, you couldn't share a blanket out on the bleachers during a sporting event, girls had to wear koolots(sp?) or pants when they played sports, you had to sign a permission to go out...the list goes on.
- 4 Did you ever get in trouble?
A few times for stupid things but nothing serious. Once I attended the class of a buddy of mine who just so happen to be the ONLY other Asian dude on campus (we even wore each other clothes), I was only caught when my stupid camera flash went off in the class because I was trying to take a picture proving I was there. The dean thought I was trying to cheat for my buddy on a quiz or something but told him it was just a joke to be "George" for a day, he wasn't amused.
Serious offenses were expulsion material or a high number of demerits tacked onto your record (for rejection of social privileges) and it was really for what one might call "normal" college behavior like drinking (expulsion), hanging out with girls outside of campus (without a chaperone, yes, a chap, also an expulsion offense), seeing a movie rated R (demerits)...stupid mistakes got people caught, there was always a way or a good "story" to get around the rules, only the smart folks never got caught and I like to consider myself a part of that elite crowd.
- 5 Are you glad you went there or do/did you regret it?
I was socially awkward so going to a college and that place didn't exactly help...plus I lost a set of friends (most didn't return, some were expelled) every year I attended so I was making new friends every year. I'm glad I went because it still helped in shaping me into the person I am today...I only regret it because a) the "magical dating" rule ruined a lot of relationships and b) looking for a job out of college was really crappy.
- 6 Are/were you even allowed to go on reddit?
I'm not sure if Reddit was very popular in the late 90s so I didn't really know about it. The school had a pretty strict internet filter system at the time and I'm sure it's still in effect. I just went to the public library for interwebz related stuff that I wanted to read or nowadays you could just take your laptop to the local Starbucks and surf for free.
- 7 How did you find the 'expectations of students?'
I can't find the link to this but if someone does, I'll answer this later.
- 8 How have your qualifications been received when job-hunting?
Laughable at most. Unless you stay in SC, most people are not going to know about that school. I ended up networking through family friend to get a foot in the door at my first job and my college degree has been rarely looked at ever since other than to ask about the unique hill billy name.
- 9 Are you still a Christian?
No. I believe there's a God but I just can't believe in any institution run by fallible man.
- 10 Do you keep in touch with classmates?
Definitely. I don't keep in touch with the BoJos (slang for the for peons who blindly followed everything at the school) but I stay in touch with the circle of peers that could be trusted to lie for you and not give you away under pressure, we all had a bond that I can't explain to this day. This was a topic I had to explain to my fiance recently after having dinner with a buddy of mine from BJU. A trustworthy friend was always introduced as a "friend of mine" which indicated someone who could be trusted to speak normally to about current events, the latest rap song or movie in the theatres. An untrustworthy person was introduced as "this is my hall monitor, Bob" or "this is my dorm sup, John" so that the conversation would not lead to "worldly" and implicating talk....
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2012.07.24 03:38 Dread_PirateRoberts Civil rights protests and reformations did not move 1978 LDS policy regarding black men and the priesthood. But something else did: **the loss of tax exempt status for religious schools with racially discriminatory admissions policies**.
Critics of the LDS church claim that the church's 1978 reversal of the racial restriction policy was not divinely inspired as the church claimed, but simply a matter of political convenience. Critics point out that this reversal of policy occurred as the LDS church began to expand outside the United States into countries such as Brazil that have ethnically mixed populations, and that the policy reversal was announced just a few months before the church opened its new temple in São Paulo, Brazil.
But there was another coincidental political situation occurring at the same time which receives scant attention. Civil rights protests and reformations did not move LDS policy regarding black men and the priesthood. But something else did: the loss of tax exempt status for religious schools with racially discriminatory admissions policies. Bob Jones University took their case to the Supreme Court and lost. No doubt the administration of BYU was anticipating a possible similar scenario. But to the rescue came the 1978 revelation on Blacks and the Priesthood. The abreviated BJU story, in which they lose their tax exempt status due to entrenched racially discriminatory policies:
Because of its interpretation of Biblical principles regarding interracial dating, Bob Jones University completely excluded black applicants until 1971, and from 1971 until 1975, admitted black students only if they were married. After 1975, the University began to admit unmarried black applicants, but continued to deny "admission to applicants engaged in an interracial marriage or known to advocate interracial marriage or dating." The University also imposed a disciplinary rule that prohibited interracial dating.
Under pre-1970 IRS regulations, tax exemptions were awarded to private schools regardless of their racial admissions policies, and Bob Jones University was approved for a tax exemption under that policy. Pursuant to a 1970 revision to IRS regulations that limited tax-exempt status to private schools without racially discriminatory admissions policies, the IRS informed the University on November 30, 1970 that the IRS was planning on revoking its tax exempt status as a "religious, charitable . . . or educational" institution. In response, the University filed suit in 1971 in Bob Jones University v. Schultz.
The Supreme Court affirmed the Court of Appeals decision in Bob Jones University v. Simon (416 US 725). The case was decided May 15, 1974, in an 8-0 decision (Douglas not participating). They stated that there was a lack of proof of "irreparable injury." Justice Powell wrote the decision.
The IRS again notified the University on April 16, 1975 of the proposed revocation. Officially, the IRS revoked the University's tax exempt status on January 19, 1976. The Court applied a strict scrutiny analysis and found that the "Government has a fundamental, overriding interest in eradicating racial discrimination in education . . . [which] substantially outweighs whatever burden denial of tax benefits places on [the University's] exercise of their religious beliefs." The Court made clear, however, that its holding dealt "only with religious schools—not with churches or other purely religious institutions."
Source: Wikipedia et al
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